NPS recap
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Aug. 13th, 2008 | 12:23 pm
As you may know, Team Austin took 3rd at NPS this year. Charlotte won, with louderARTS coming in 2nd and Boston-Cantab just barely taking the 4th (0.2 points behind us).
Here’s my take on the whole thing:
The “No Repeat” rule is killing NPS
Someone put it nicely: Do what’s best for the show and fairest to the poets. For several years now, PSI has foolishly insisted on doing what’s worst for the show and hardest on the poets. That is, if you get to finals, you can’t repeat a poem you’ve already done during the tournament. What does this lead to? Finals night gives the audience the 4th best set of poems available, and thus, the 4th best possible show.
We tied with Berkley in our first bout, which sent us to a one-poem “tiebreaker.” This meant that by the time we made it to finals, we had performed 13 poems, instead of every other team’s 12, putting us at an even greater disadvantage. The poem we used in the tie-breaker was the “Black Nerd” duo, which was our “powerhouse” group piece. At the Nerd Slam, it received the largest response I’ve ever seen for a poem outside of Finals Night. In other words, if we’d had it in Finals, who knows what the results would’ve been.
PSI needs to change the “no repeat” rule. Immediately and forever.
Publicity ain’t just a word
I don’t know the details of Dasha’s alleged “blow-up” at the Slam Family meeting, at which she “uninvited” PSI from NPS the following year. But what I doooo know is that our bouts were as poorly attended by non-poets as were our bouts in St. Louis. I saw a few fliers here and there, but that was it. And the one local news story completely missed the point. Madison was ripe for the plucking, but the organizers failed to pluck. It was a disaster of publicity. It’s what NOT to do when running a PR campaign. Take note, young marketers.
Slam poetry may not be the “movement” we want it to be
We----that is, slam poets and the like---enjoy proclaiming slam poetry as some sort of “cultural” or “artistic” or “literary” movement or revolution. This NPS confirms that no, no it’s not. When half the audience at the largest slam of the largest slam event of the year (in the world!) is empty … something’s off. Sure, piss-poor advertisement is partly to blame. But perhaps we, the poets, are to blame, too. Perhaps we’re not as revolutionary as we like to think. Perhaps our words aren’t so inspiring. Perhaps, just perhaps, we’re not heralding a new era, but instead, diluting a once-proud activity with lame, clichéd, and obvious poetry. Perhaps.
Not enough funny
At finals night, mine was the only “funny” poem. A couple of others had humorous moments, but couldn’t easily be classified as “funny poems.” During semifinals, mine was one of only three “funny” poems (one other being our group piece, “Negro Manual”). And during our two preliminary bouts, out of 32 poems, maybe 5 were intentionally humorous. Not enough poets do funny work. This has always been the case, I suppose. I can count on one hand the slam poets I consider genuinely, intentionally, and stylistically funny: Rob, Shappy, Mike M., and Ernie Cline. Other poets do funny sometimes (though often not at NPS) and other poets TRY to be funny often, but aren’t. I may be missing some names, but the point is: STOP TAKING YOUR SELF SO DAMN SERIOUSLY. Poetry is not sequestered to the sad-bastard end of the literary spectrum. If your poetry can’t laugh at life, how can you?
Group piece cobbling is good for the soul
Here was the situation: We got to send up four poems in finals. We have five poets on our team, and we had used all four of our group pieces. That meant that either (a) one of our team members wouldn’t get to perform on the Finals stage, or (b) we had to cobble together a group piece quickly. We went with (b). Tony and Danny valiantly memorized, practiced, and tweaked a group poem that they had from 2007 and which had never been performed in a bout. They did well, too. I’m proud of ‘em.
Group piece finals is good and bad
Good because (a) indie finals is often a mixed-bag at best, and though group piece finals was mixed, I’d rather see mixed group work than mixed indies, and (b) everyone seemed to go fucking nuts for it. But the set-up is bad. Only those teams who weren’t in semifinals were allowed to compete, meaning the biggest and rowdiest crowd of the week was for the teams who didn’t advance to semifinals. Seems unfair to those who did, especially considering the poor attendance at the semifinal bouts.
Robbie Q. is the most important man in poetry slam today
Because he (a) brings the funny, (b) brings the innovative, (c) reminds us that we shouldn’t take ourselves, as slam poets, too seriously, and (d) creates memorable moments in a sea of instantly forgettable work. God bless his crooked head.
I’m done
With being on an NPS team. For at least this year, though quite possibly all future years. I am, quite frankly, wasting my talent on the poetry slam. I’ll still be there many Wednesday nights, and will host from time to time, and I’ll certainly keep performing in different venues, but … well … I feel like I can do more. I’m sure we all feel that way sometimes. I wanna see what “more” I can do.
Love you
For real.
My dick is so big…
… it never returns your text messages.
Here’s my take on the whole thing:
The “No Repeat” rule is killing NPS
Someone put it nicely: Do what’s best for the show and fairest to the poets. For several years now, PSI has foolishly insisted on doing what’s worst for the show and hardest on the poets. That is, if you get to finals, you can’t repeat a poem you’ve already done during the tournament. What does this lead to? Finals night gives the audience the 4th best set of poems available, and thus, the 4th best possible show.
We tied with Berkley in our first bout, which sent us to a one-poem “tiebreaker.” This meant that by the time we made it to finals, we had performed 13 poems, instead of every other team’s 12, putting us at an even greater disadvantage. The poem we used in the tie-breaker was the “Black Nerd” duo, which was our “powerhouse” group piece. At the Nerd Slam, it received the largest response I’ve ever seen for a poem outside of Finals Night. In other words, if we’d had it in Finals, who knows what the results would’ve been.
PSI needs to change the “no repeat” rule. Immediately and forever.
Publicity ain’t just a word
I don’t know the details of Dasha’s alleged “blow-up” at the Slam Family meeting, at which she “uninvited” PSI from NPS the following year. But what I doooo know is that our bouts were as poorly attended by non-poets as were our bouts in St. Louis. I saw a few fliers here and there, but that was it. And the one local news story completely missed the point. Madison was ripe for the plucking, but the organizers failed to pluck. It was a disaster of publicity. It’s what NOT to do when running a PR campaign. Take note, young marketers.
Slam poetry may not be the “movement” we want it to be
We----that is, slam poets and the like---enjoy proclaiming slam poetry as some sort of “cultural” or “artistic” or “literary” movement or revolution. This NPS confirms that no, no it’s not. When half the audience at the largest slam of the largest slam event of the year (in the world!) is empty … something’s off. Sure, piss-poor advertisement is partly to blame. But perhaps we, the poets, are to blame, too. Perhaps we’re not as revolutionary as we like to think. Perhaps our words aren’t so inspiring. Perhaps, just perhaps, we’re not heralding a new era, but instead, diluting a once-proud activity with lame, clichéd, and obvious poetry. Perhaps.
Not enough funny
At finals night, mine was the only “funny” poem. A couple of others had humorous moments, but couldn’t easily be classified as “funny poems.” During semifinals, mine was one of only three “funny” poems (one other being our group piece, “Negro Manual”). And during our two preliminary bouts, out of 32 poems, maybe 5 were intentionally humorous. Not enough poets do funny work. This has always been the case, I suppose. I can count on one hand the slam poets I consider genuinely, intentionally, and stylistically funny: Rob, Shappy, Mike M., and Ernie Cline. Other poets do funny sometimes (though often not at NPS) and other poets TRY to be funny often, but aren’t. I may be missing some names, but the point is: STOP TAKING YOUR SELF SO DAMN SERIOUSLY. Poetry is not sequestered to the sad-bastard end of the literary spectrum. If your poetry can’t laugh at life, how can you?
Group piece cobbling is good for the soul
Here was the situation: We got to send up four poems in finals. We have five poets on our team, and we had used all four of our group pieces. That meant that either (a) one of our team members wouldn’t get to perform on the Finals stage, or (b) we had to cobble together a group piece quickly. We went with (b). Tony and Danny valiantly memorized, practiced, and tweaked a group poem that they had from 2007 and which had never been performed in a bout. They did well, too. I’m proud of ‘em.
Group piece finals is good and bad
Good because (a) indie finals is often a mixed-bag at best, and though group piece finals was mixed, I’d rather see mixed group work than mixed indies, and (b) everyone seemed to go fucking nuts for it. But the set-up is bad. Only those teams who weren’t in semifinals were allowed to compete, meaning the biggest and rowdiest crowd of the week was for the teams who didn’t advance to semifinals. Seems unfair to those who did, especially considering the poor attendance at the semifinal bouts.
Robbie Q. is the most important man in poetry slam today
Because he (a) brings the funny, (b) brings the innovative, (c) reminds us that we shouldn’t take ourselves, as slam poets, too seriously, and (d) creates memorable moments in a sea of instantly forgettable work. God bless his crooked head.
I’m done
With being on an NPS team. For at least this year, though quite possibly all future years. I am, quite frankly, wasting my talent on the poetry slam. I’ll still be there many Wednesday nights, and will host from time to time, and I’ll certainly keep performing in different venues, but … well … I feel like I can do more. I’m sure we all feel that way sometimes. I wanna see what “more” I can do.
Love you
For real.
My dick is so big…
… it never returns your text messages.
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bajatierra
date: Aug. 13th, 2008 05:57 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, someone. ;)
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poltergasm
date: Aug. 14th, 2008 06:05 pm (UTC)
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twosnoos
date: Aug. 13th, 2008 06:09 pm (UTC)
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Do you think his Zombie series is “funny”?
Do you think his edgy persona pieces about being a pregnant mother are “funny”?
Do you think his research heavy one-man shows are “funny”?
Artists are allowed to develop, Andy, then don’t just have to stay in your “funny poets” box.
And if you have a problem with Shappy moving away from the “funny” genre, than perhaps you’d like a have a conversation with one Mr. Vincent D’Inofrio.
For real. For serious.
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Well, have fun at Toastmasters!!!
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shannyjean
date: Aug. 13th, 2008 06:58 pm (UTC)
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twosnoos
date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
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Shanny Jean, I am so sorry that you are not genuinely, intentionally, and /or stylistically funny.
It is a pain I know too well...
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Re: Well, have fun at Toastmasters!!!
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:07 pm (UTC)
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I will just keep TRYING to be funny often, but amn't, while I sit in a corner of my room jerking off to a picture of Robbie Q.
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Re: Well, have fun at Toastmasters!!!
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whoisthespirit
date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
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Re: Well, have fun at Toastmasters!!!
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poltergasm
date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:32 pm (UTC)
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Truth is, I've seen the female snoo perform a VERY small handful of times ... as in 3-4 total. Still, I'll put you on the List.
Shanny ... I think I've seen you perform solo ONCE only, and yes, you're funny. So fine, you're on the List.
Happy? HAAAAAAPPPYYYYY?
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Re: Well, have fun at Toastmasters!!!
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 08:49 pm (UTC)
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Which really doesn't make sense, because you are clearly not funny.
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date: Aug. 14th, 2008 02:01 pm (UTC)
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:31 pm (UTC)
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I'm pretty sure that in Austin both years people got "clean slated" (Sounds like a sexual euphemism...) and got all their poems back for Finals. I remember that specifically in ABQ.
So, yeah, I agree. But this is also the first time there was no-repeat for Finals. And if Da'Shade and Marty McConnell were able to save two of their go-to poems for Finals why wasn't everyone else able to present "quality work" on Finals stage?
As far as funny poems... I hear the same thing from "serious" poets. "Whats' with this funny shit, blah blah, blah... it's killing poetry slam."
Maybe we need to do a study, like they did about the B Slot in the ABCD, BCDA, etc. rotation... laf.
Funny poems are killing NPS. Serious poems are killing NPS.
Maybe everything is killing NPS. LOL
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:35 pm (UTC)
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I'm PRETTY sure that there was a no-repeat rule last year as well. As for the first NPS in Austin? Not sure.
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:49 pm (UTC)
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The whole "Serious vs. Funny" argument is hilarious to me because both sides think the other is the death of poetry slam. It's either "Lighten up" or "Get serious."
And dude, 95 percent? Seriously? That's not hyperbole? ;-)
And I'm fairly certain NPS 07 didn't have no-repeat all the way to Finals. I know NPS '06 didn't for sure since I coaches ABQ and knew we'd get poems back if we got to Finals.
That said, I agree and think we should give the audience the best poems for Finals.
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:36 pm (UTC)
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It's not fair to the audience. Period. Asking them to sit through a team's "fourth best set" is just bad, bad marketing.
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:52 pm (UTC)
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"Go to" = well-known poems that they enjoy performing that also happen to get good scores more often than not." I know both poems are crowd favorites -- both got huge roars of recognition.
While it did feel like they were playing to the crowd with their poem choice, it didn't seem to me that Da'Shade or Marty were doing fourth-best poems. Not at all. Those two poems are among the best work either has ever put out, IMHO.
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:50 pm (UTC)
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It's interesting that I've heard Austin, of all scenes, complain the most about no-repeat. I am also floored that every year, their team is made in only two rounds. Scenes that encourage writing don't have an issue with the NR rule, that I know of anyway.
As for funny, it's as necessary as the un-funny. Not enough people can do it well. Dramatic poems are assumed when someone mentions rape, death, etc. Which is why so much of slam sucks dirty cocks all day every day.
For the record, Andy, you saved the first round with your poem. It was as spectacular as it was important. It's too bad there isn't anyone like, say, George McKibbens anymore, who wrote no-holds barred humorous and socio-political poems that made people laugh and learn all at once.
Crazily enough, Marty McConnell had an amazing poem about drag kings with lots of biting humor in it that we had saved for finals, but the teams of old lady judges wiled me out, and I sent her out with the more accessible Saint to a Pop Culture icon persona poem.
Going back to the no-repeat rule - as a coach, I am thrilled to give a poet FOUR nights to recite FOUR different poems. The last two years on finals was what led me to bring only four poets instead of five. Having to force a duet or group piece onto finals to get all of them onstage was too much for me.
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:53 pm (UTC)
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Excuse me?
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)
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You need to step off this "scenes that encourage writing" business. Our scene encourages writing plenty. Full lists, poets trying new shit all the time, often having contests to see how many rounds they can go in a row over the course of months without repeating a poem. Plenty of people giving plenty of the requisite amount of shit to poets who do go to their "go to poems" too often. There's not some enormous problem with a lack of writing here. Could we do more? Sure. Always room to improve.
You bet our finals is two rounds. Plus a killer showcase of poems from past teams (was shorter this year than I liked) and a great feature (Anis this year). And we do it in the biggest venue we can get for the biggest crowd possible, about a thousand this year.
That's why it is a short show. My choice has been to serve the audience by giving a short, high energy, leave-them-wanting-more performance that kicks their ass up one side and down the other. Minimize the people leaving because the show runs late. A big part of the mission of slam is reaching the people who don't normally experience poetry. Finals is the ultimate ride for that; you get the "Easter Christians" that you see once a year, and tons and tons of first-timers.
I don't begrudge you your format or disagree with how you do it. It is your choice for your community and I think Louder is one of the very most kickass communities out there. You choose to value your audience and stress the aspects of slam and the show that you want. We do that too.
And yeah, as you know, I disagree with No Repeats at Finals. Biggest show, biggest opportunity for slam to reach its audience. The poets should be given every tool, period, no exceptions at all, to make that the best show possible. It's not about who has four good "go to poems." It is about every poet being able to put their very best work, no exceptions, up for that audience. Making the show that NPS features by shooting it for the DVD the very best product it can be -- as defined by the poets who earned their right to be there.
But, I've grown to accept it. I don't hold enough proxies at Slammasters meeting to control a voting block anymore.
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date: Aug. 14th, 2008 02:12 pm (UTC)
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I'm not sure what "made in two rounds" means, but you're right that our scene doesn't "focus" on new work enough. My beef with no-repeat is less a selfish one, and more a concern for the health of NPS and slam in general. If we put up a "less good" show, the audience suffers a bit. Why should a national finalist have to throw up an untested poem in finals?
I compare it to telling the New York Giants, a couple of months before the Super Bowl: "If you guys make it to the championship game, you can't use your starting offensive line." Silly.
Which is why so much of slam sucks dirty cocks all day every day.
Agreed!
For the record, Andy, you saved the first round with your poem. It was as spectacular as it was important. It's too bad there isn't anyone like, say, George McKibbens anymore, who wrote no-holds barred humorous and socio-political poems that made people laugh and learn all at once.
I scribbled off my list of "funny poets" too quickly in this post. If I'd paused and thought, George would've shot to the top of the list, as his was work I found consistently engaging and original. Plus, his voice made my balls quiver. Like in an earthquake.
Going back to the no-repeat rule - as a coach, I am thrilled to give a poet FOUR nights to recite FOUR different poems. The last two years on finals was what led me to bring only four poets instead of five. Having to force a duet or group piece onto finals to get all of them onstage was too much for me.
Given LA's success, it's no wonder you sort of plan for finals early in the summer. We didn't get that far, thinking instead of what would give us so-called "deeper pockets."
I'm also thinking of group work here. Perhaps a compromise would be to allow finalists to repeat one group piece. The night before finals, a dozen teams got to repeat group pieces. And considering how hard teams work on them, it might be nice to be able to showcase at least one of the "burned" group pieces in finals.
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RESPECT!
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 09:51 pm (UTC)
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about the No Repeat Rule
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date: Aug. 13th, 2008 10:30 pm (UTC)
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Really?
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red_five
date: Aug. 14th, 2008 04:58 am (UTC)
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Let's all just assume that was one of those patented Andy Buck sarcastic asides where he's being, y'know, ironic and stuff.
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date: Aug. 14th, 2008 02:14 pm (UTC)
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date: Aug. 14th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
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no YOU'RE important
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date: Aug. 14th, 2008 08:16 pm (UTC)
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i think that slam has opened the eyes of so many people to the possibilities of spoken word poetry (if not for slam i wouldn't know what performance poetry was at all). it should and will continue to be used as a wedge into the gate kept world of performance, poetry, and art in general - and that IS revolutionary. i also think the folk who've been doing it for a while need more than just winning big slams as a final artistic goal. winning can be so hollow when you consider it's your friends who you're "beating."
so we have all this performance poetry talent and no where to dump it. we could go on tour, but that's rarely cost effective for the average slammer. i think, and maybe i'm crazy, we need a new mutually agreed upon assignment.
i'm starting a show in chicago (with shanny jean) that will be an invite only, monthly affair where poets will be given topics/themes they have to write on (assignments will be based on very narrow encyclopedia-like entries). it will be called the encyclopedia show and it will be glorious. will it turn into the National Encyclopedia Poetry Slam Thingy? no. but i think other folks are already looking into how they can take their spoken word skills and apply them to bigger/weirder/harder outlets. one-man shows, animation, rives's slideshow presentations, spoken word plays, performative page poetry, etc... there's a lot of options for those who "graduate" the slam. i just hope people don't hate the slam and continue to upkeep it, especially considering how much we owe to it (and its community) for the skills we now have.
and i think the merits of the whole "it used to be better" argument only go so far. consider how so many old school slammers came to slam with artistic inclinations already in place and how now kids are growing up with slam so that it's their FIRST artistic experience that they now can build inclinations off of. that's revolutionary too.
in conclusion, thanks for the bullet-pointed-props and don't go too far away from slam, but please, do go.
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